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If you had learned OpenOffice calc or write, would that have made much of a difference? Takes a few hours to move 80% from one to the other. Maybe if very specific functions it may take a few minutes more.


Would you prefer we mandate Vim or EMacs for kids? Both are free, so it’s a deliberate choice to be made. And how do you suggest we support this decision and their potential inability to use an IDE in the real world?


I guess I'm not working in the real world, because I get to use whatever I want as long as I deliver... And so I use VIM.


I have 25 years of software engineering experience in a dozen languages and vim and the supporting plugin ecosystem cover everything I could ever need.

Modern IDEs are not at all required for success in this industry. They can sometimes even be a crutch.

I still teach people Vim. Some learn other things later but the important thing is they have a fast and free baseline available in every package manager.


If you grew up with emacs and vim there is not so much chance you cannot use an ide in the real world? I mean: vim/emacs are considered harder to use and going to something easier is, well, easier? I am not really sure what you are saying?

Someone who can write elisp macros and have muscle memories for complex actions won’t be bothered with VS or VS code at all.

The other way around however…


I think ed is more user friendly.


Just give the rugrats nano and call it a day.




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