Back in 2018 had just gotten a surprise extra TV from my friend for Christmas. Now we had a 48in tv and a 42in tv. I wasnt sure what to do with it, I wanted 2 TVs for my 2 monitor setup(PC + Wireless mouse and keyboard). My wife cared about appearance more than anything. This was quite contentious.
We happened to take MDMA for the first time(at home) and we talked about the TV situation. We figured out a way to have both of them in the living room and make it look good.
We were so impressed that we ended up designing our backyard landscaping after that.
That you for sharing, it’s a very sweet story and heartwarming to hear how the two of you were able to come up with a solution where both people were satisfied.
I think we just don't take enough time to talk properly and you know, get to understand how the other person is feeling. Communication is so important in a relationship.
You didn't use it in a medicinal context though. You used it recreationally and thought about a problem then arrived at a solution. There's only x ways you could have fit the TVs in, and I'm sure most people could have figured it out without taking anything, it's hardly a difficult task.
This handwaves the problem that two adults cannot reach a compromise without taking a drug. That's a personal problem not being solved, but actually being masked and brushed under the metaphorical rug. Perhaps what they need is relationship counselling?
If you anesthetize me, I will protest less when you do something that would otherwise cause me pain, but you haven't taken away my ability to feel pain in the long-term.
If you get me high, I'll be less anxious in the short-term, but the root cause of my anxiety hasn't been solved.
I disagree with the "masked" framing. _Actually talking to each other_ is fairly difficult for a lot of people and even a lot of relatively happy couples. Managing to do that in a productive fashion may take a very good night's sleep, or a lot of coffee, or a few beers, or some MDMA, or post-coital neurochemical rush, or whatever else. As long as it happens, you've had the conversation. If it went well and you got somewhere and did a thing or mutually understand a problem or whatever, it was a success.
Tools are tools. My inability to ram a nail into a wall with my thumb isn't being "masked" by my use of a hammer, and while I might get better at it with practice and better thumb technique that wouldn't be a more valid solution.
This seems like a bad take. Are you going to tell me ibuprofen is worthless because it doesn't fix the underlying issue?
No, it's a tool. Nobody is saying you should take casual MDMA to discuss every day solutions. But it does highlight the power of allowing people to express things that they might otherwise have difficulty expressing.
And maybe you learn something about your partner in the process.
This is why it's a powerful therapeutic tool. People with PTSD can talk through their most troubled experiences and lift that weight from their shoulders. Something they may be incapable of doing in a sober context.
In that sense, it's not just "anesthetizing" as you so lovingly put it, there is therapeutic value beyond a a momentary high.
MDMA was originally named 'Empathy' for a reason. Establishing an empathetic bridge with a spouse or significant other can have lasting effects which can clear a log jam of grievances. And as with all psychoactive medication, therapy is often part of the treatment.
Obviously, self medicating to perpetuate avoidant or maladaptive behavior is generally considered drug abuse and never recommended.
it has been the state of humans throughout history that we could not all universally reach a compromise without taking a drug, which makes sense given that we haven't had a lot of time to evolve since then
The production of a judgement according to criteria defining medicinal is not required for the substance to benefit people. This is a case where a meaningful emotional bond was built on top of a situation which would have been a lingering conflict—or so it seems—and this bond remains and has lasting benefits to the couple involved.
If MDMA is approved as a treatment drug it will undoubtedly by a schedule 2 drug only administered at a doctor’s office. The key idea is MDMA assisted therapy.
MDMA is used as therapeutic grease. People with PTSD frequently can’t talk about or otherwise process what happened to them without reliving the event(s) and re-traumatizing them. MDMA tamps down the fear response and makes them more open to communication. It frequently makes people want to connect to someone else which also helps with therapy. MDMA isn’t what relives the PTSD, it is the therapy.
If I recall the MAPS study, patients were given 2-3 doses of MDMA over 8 months of therapy.
Medicinally, ergo, if someone has depression, they can use it to overcome it (apparently). Recreationally means that you don't have a medical issue that you are trying to solve and are taking it just to take it.
Thank you for definition. The thing is that I might have a depression and an understanding of what to do with mdma but a lack of trust to every psych* specialist because they are educated by govt who just wants some obey from everybody.
I've also struggled with depression. If you're certain there's no rationality behind it (self-esteem, family ill, money problems, war, health etc), it might be worth considering medication of some description, but most depressive episodes can be solved without any kind of medication. Most medications simply mask the problem and don't deal with the root cause.
That's not to say that medications can't be useful in tackling the root cause, they can be, but not uncommonly, the negative side effects outweigh the benefits of taking them versus just resolving the problems in your life. CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) can be very effective for a lot of problems.
it's worth noting that MDMA generally doesn't seem to be one of those drugs that "masks the problem", and can be quite useful in "dealing with the root cause"
Dealing with the root cause seems more about lsd/dmt. Masks the problem temporarily is about alcohol. Mdma is about mask the problem long term.
But the problem I am having in mind is not war-related PTSR. I don't imagine how to heal from problem when you are a massacre survivor. Especially if you were mobilized against your will.
People obviously have different types of problems, and here I divide them into issues with how you relate to yourself or how you relate to others.
I think that the appropriate substance depends on the nature of the problem. If the nature of the problem is a lack of empathy and interpersonal connection, I think MDMA could be a good fit. It can provide biological and experiential practice in dropping the barriers people put up between themselves and others.
Mushrooms, LSD, and hallucinogen seem better suited for addressing motivation and control issues as well as cognitive dissonance within an individual.
MDMA doesn't seem to be one of those that masks the problem, short term or long term, but rather one that helps deal with the root cause: when you're not afraid to discuss a subject due to the pain it causes, you can discuss it
How it can be possible when a patient wants to talk about traumatic experiense to a specialist, for the sake of getting rid of PTSR, but he afraids to talk about it because of... what may happen?
What kind of pain may block even talking about it? I have built an idea while reading those PTSR-witnessers that mobilization for males is an analog of rape for females and the pain is not from killing and seeing kills but from being enslaved. I have a lot of friends who use to kill Russians in Russo-Ukrainian war, or use to be a medic, and everybody is totally happy to discuss at least some analytical problems (equipment, strategy, caveats, how to avoid being killed in combat, etc). I am just trying not to be jerk and listen more than talk to them and those people even do not claim they heavily suffer from anything like PTSR.
What kind of questions were asked to patients and participants of what military group were the patients? If my theory is wrong, then the questions is always about killing and seeing massacre. I really want to know criterions of being chosen to mdma-assisted therapy instead of other antidepressant.
how can it be possible that a person is sad when they should be happy? people are irrational, emotional meat bags
in the context of MDMA assisted psychotherapy, people objectively use it to discuss painful topics and memories to deal with root causes
I'm not sure how to answer some of the psychology specific details, and so apologize, but given that MDMA does indeed seem to be one of those drugs that helps people deal with the root causes of their issues, I'm sure the info is out there for someone determined to learn it
We happened to take MDMA for the first time(at home) and we talked about the TV situation. We figured out a way to have both of them in the living room and make it look good.
We were so impressed that we ended up designing our backyard landscaping after that.