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Pretty sure the US already does that. Every once in a while you'll hear about a strike on ISIS etc.

And I'm guessing there's lots of operations you don't exactly hear about.


I think what we’re getting drawn into is an order of magnitude (or more?) escalation of the regular “strikes on ISIS” phenomenon. Maybe morally on par with Israel leveling Gaza - but in a much larger country.

Yup totally agree but this is going to be on a much bigger scale than Libya. Massive in comparison. Just think of all the war refugees. Will make Syria look like a Sunday picnic. No wonder Europe looks on in Horror.

I doubt it.

Assuming the US does these kinds of operations it will likely target only high value targets like the rebuilding of a nuclear facility etc

So it's gonna be very targeted and limited in scope, as opposed to Gaza.


The US Military blew up a water de-salination plant in Iran. (Yes, I am aware the Iranians retaliated and blew up a water de-salination plant in Bahrain - but I'm sure you'll understand my point). That's arguably a war crime. So I have serious doubts that this war will be "limited in scope". Just look at who is in charge of the military. It tells you all you need to know.

They can always claim the target was a nuclear facility.

Like this time where the bombed nuclear facilities that were "obliterated like nobody‘s ever seen before" last year.


They can always do a lot of stuff, but it's just not very likely.

And they did bomb nuclear facilities - nobody is denying that.

Even this time, excluding the tragic school event, there have been very minimal number of casualties compared to the amount of munitions being used, so clearly not a Gaza scenario at all.


So Trump‘s claim last year was BS that they totally obliterated the nuclear facilities?

Didn’t say anything about Gaza. This is more likely to be a second Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya. This isn’t a movie where it ends with the death of the main villain.


It'll be like Libya but on a far bigger scale. Massive population compared to Libya.

I think their intent is to bomb Iran into rubble.

BB has pulled off the ultimate coup. He's managed to sucker a US President into doing the dirty work cutting Iran down to a manageable size with the US paying for almost all the costs. The Pentagon loves it of course because they get to "test" out their toys to see how well they work.

The Iranian people pay the highest price. The rest of us pay economically through sky high oil prices.


Economic collapse, failed infrastructure, lack of human rights, ruthless religious dictatorship? All while spending 25% of their budget on military ventures.

Just to name a few.


The economic suffering has largely been inflicted deliberately by US sanctions.

This would seem to suggest that sinking an aircraft carrier and frigate or two would actually be justified according to your principles?


My principals is that a government should do what's good for the people of their country.

Are your principals that a government should only focus on self preservation?

What would be better for the people of Iran, sinking an American aircraft carrier or just disbanding their nuclear and long range ballistic missile programs?


> The economic suffering has largely been inflicted deliberately by US sanctions.

Which were imposed for work on atomic bomb. These sanctions didn’t come out of the blue.


US intelligence assessments on the question of whether Iran is building one keep publicly coming out as negative. People who keep repeating that Iran is building one are people who want to see Iran torn apart. Had Iran ACTUALLY been working on one all these decades, we wouldn't be at war with them now because they would have the ultimate deterrence and we'd be too scared. The very fact that we are bombing them every now and then, and are about to launch another massive regime change war campaign against them, is the best confirmation that they are in fact NOT close to having nuclear-armed missiles. Otherwise it would be too risky to start bombing a country that is going to have them in a week, and that is going to also then be VERY pissed that you just bombed the shit out of them, and will want to show you once and for all never to mess with it again. Iran's government is actually REALLY stupid for not having got nuclear weapons already, and they may be about to pay for that mistake with their country's devastation.

Sanctions-wise... When you sanction a society to the degree that Iran has been sanctioned, you force that society to turn to smuggling, black markets, and forces operating outside of usual law and norms, in order for the society to prevent its collapse. That naturally causes corruption to spread because you are involving outlaws in fundamental processes of your economy. This is one of intended consequences of such harsh sanctions, in order to maximize the negative sentiment of the general populace of the targeted country towards their government. It impoverishes the country and makes the populace more likely to accept when approached by foreign agents offering monetary rewards for help in bringing the government down.

Obviously the commenter I responded to is not arguing in good faith so I don't expect anything but an NPC talking point response, so I wish to note that my answer is for a curious passerby.


US intelligence flip flopped on this issue every Friday. Given the high stakes situation, I personally believe that Iran did work on nuclear weapons.

There is no reason whatsoever to enrich uranium beyond like 20% if its not for military purposes in such quantities.

Saying that others are NPCs is interesting. How do you know that you are not an NPC?


I don't understand. If US, Israel, Pakistan, etc can all have nuclear weapons, why can't Iran?


Pakistan did it secretly. Today I doubt that Pakistan would have been allowed to have nukes. Moreover, just because they have nukes it is huge pain in the ass and that why the US and other countries support Pakistan financially — no one wants collapsing state with nuclear weapons.

If Iran gets nuclear weapons, all big Sunni countries will get them too: Saudis, Qatar, etc. we do not want it to happen, as the next Arab spring can collapse those governments, and you can count on any Muslim radical group getting hands on one of those.

Anyway, there are countries that have nuclear weapons, and this Jinny is out of the bottle. But, it doesn’t mean we want to have more of this crap lying around. We need less.


Because Iran has oil.


I think it has more to do with nukes than oil. North Korea is a good example that once you have nukes, no one can touch you. No one wants more nukes, especially in the hands of IR, in this world.


I have no sympathy for the Iranian regime but the US' unilateral actions are worse. At least the Iranians mind their own business.

At this point, every country which has natural resources which the US might want to steal should have nukes.


> At least the Iranians mind their own business

Except they don’t.

North Korea minds their own business.


Neither Iran nor NK interfere with India. I don't see how they interfere with the US. Last I checked it was the US which has bases in the Middle East.

When Iran builds a base in Mexico or Canada, we can talk.


>The economic suffering has largely been inflicted deliberately by US sanctions.

I dunno. Is the United States required to bake them a cake if it offends our religious principles?


Because those countries are not trying to become a global power, with potential nuclear weapon, ICBM and drone capabilities along with a strategic location?

And all while making "death to america" part of their national slogan.


Didn't realize there was a patent on hummus.


No, but stealing cuisine is a form of cultural erasure, particularly when it applies to Palestinian cuisine.


Islam has borrowed quite heavily from Judaism. If you want the hummus then give us back our prophets.


Hmm is this really the best ragebait you could come up with from behind a throwaway?


You know Jews are from the levant, right?


Are we talking “from” as in 3000 years ago, or “from” as in sometime in not ancient history?

Are Japanese people “from” China? Is Japanese cuisine therefore part of Chinese or Korean cuisine?


“From” as in mentioned many times in the Quran, often specifically in relation to living in that area.


Do you have any authoritative sources, though?


Both. Jews are indigenous to the land, and you also had Jewish communities living all over the middle east throughout history untill they moved to Israel.


Okay, and what percentage of those who moved to Israel were from Levantine countries?


The majority.


Wrong. Try again, anon.


So what is the percentage?


Behold the humble chickpea. More support for the disingenuous claim of "genocide".


Nah, cultural erasure.

The best food Israelis could come up without “inspiration” is bamba. You would think all the “brilliance” would result in some original food lol.


History has also shown that whenever Jews are in a minority of the population something bad tends to a happen to them.

So a two state solution makes much more sense.


I disagree. Limiting your understanding of 'can people coexist' down to purely ethnic terms is colonial apartheid thinking.

"History has also shown that whenever Mizrahi Jews are a minority relative to Ashkenazi Jews something bad tends to a happen to them"

What now mupuff? Is it because they tainted by their Arab blood?

I could do this all day with random minorities, but it's not a refutation of my argument.

'Single supreme race' states are evil. The Antebellum South was one of the most evil places ever to exist and functioned on the exact same terms. There was a civil war, and we settled on a one state solution. The only mistake was not fully purging the slavers from positions of power and stopping reconstruction.

Racial/Ethnic/Religious caste systems are a race to the bottom. They are a suicidal purity cult.

I should note that you are factually wrong. Jews have very rarely been an ethnic majority, yet many cultures have managed to not genocide them throughout history. This includes middle eastern countries prior to the Nakba. Don't project out the utterly imperial eurocentric 'pograms are inevitiable' and 'arabs are all that same, and are savages' viewpoint out onto every civilizations.

European empires created or exacerbated divisions in peaceful populations as a means of colonial control. This is well documented and intentional. Zionism as a project is very very British, they wrote their plans down! Same as they did in South Africa. Same as they did in Ireland.


So Jews should just accept the ruler de jour! If he likes Jews everything’s honky dory, if he doesn’t, better luck with the next ruler! Just like the last 2000 years of exile, sometime it was nice for Jews, sometime it was pogroms. Such is life you say.

So easy for you when you’re not the one that billions of people around the world are taught to hate.


""" So [Black people in America] should just accept the [president] de jour! If he likes [Black people] everything’s honky dory, if he doesn’t, better luck with the next [president]! Just like the last 400 years of [chattel slavery, convict leasing, apartheid, and child incarceration], sometime it was nice for [Black people], sometime it was [lynchings].

Such is life you say. So easy for you when you’re not the one that billions of people around the world are taught to hate [Black people, sexual minorities, brown immigrants, Muslims, Jews, etc...]. """

I'm saying that apartheid is always wrong and I will always stand against it. It is not 'such is life' except in the particular sense that it is the obligation of all free peoples to stand against these moral atrocities where ever they appear, and they appear in every age.

It does not matter to me one whit the particulars of the race or caste of the people enacting apartheid and genocide and no amount of special pleading will change my mind.


what you think matters not in the real world. Jews are hated, and persecuted. In the past and present. The only place where Jews feel safe to be Jewish is Israel.


Jews who live in Germany don't have rockets fired at them every day. Isn't that safer?


Jews in Israel had rockets fired on them mainly from border town. And now the Israeli government finally put a stop to it, and no rockets are being fired on them.

https://amp.dw.com/en/berlins-young-jews-reveal-complex-expe...

> In December, for example, major security measures were implemented at the public candle-lighting ceremony for the Hanukkah holiday, held at Berlin's landmark Brandenburg Gate, while just a few years ago, passersby could watch the celebration up close.

> "In the past, I sometimes wore a Star of David necklace. At the moment, I don't," Sofer says. "Right now, anywhere in Berlin, you'd have to be crazy to wear one," in her view.

Yeah, sounds safe. Love the jewsplaining of telling me where I should feel safer.


Where in Berlin are the antisemitism police not patrolling? Brandenburg Gate? Get real, you'd be arrested in five seconds if you did an antisemitic attack there.


Factually untrue in two regards.

The USA is the safest place on Earth for Jewish people, both by the numbers and in measured attitudes.

Israel is by far more dangerous. If you can only feel safe there, this is your feelings lying to you about the real state of the world. Perhaps this fear is what allows you to avoid looking inward at your personal acceptance of apartheid as a necessary evil?

Feeling safe is nice, but it's not a human right to feel unsafe and then insist that it is [the whole 'real' word]'s problem. You can not create real safety at the expense of your neighbor's safety.

'safety' is an argument that justifies every act. It's identical a white lady in the park calling the cops because she saw [minority] and 'felt unsafe'. It's firing a tall stocky cis women because seeing her enter the stall made 'real women' feel unsafe about the tr*nny 'invading their spaces'.

It's being anti-integration [not because you are racist!!!, but] because schools would be made 'unsafe'. etc etc etc...


The USA is safest by attitude? I have Jewish friends there. Kids are harassed at schools because they are Jewish. Jews at universities hide their religion because they are being excluded from everywhere by the student body, professors are discriminating Jews. Synagogues are being fire bombed. Jewish places of business are being marked.

That does not happen in Israel.


You've implied you are neither Jewish, nor American and you are lecturing me with random anecdotes about what is 'really going on' in the USA???

I attended school in one of the most staunchly zionist synagogues in America for years. I was the designate שבת גוי for years during high school. I lived in a quiet, peaceful predominately orthodox neighborhood during those years. Those Jewish kids I grew up arguing with about politics helped me deconstruct the subtle bigotries [about black, brown, and arab people] I was raised in! My education on the Holocaust and then genocide generally is why I am writing what I am right now.

Only one of those kids grew up and remained a Zionist to this day, he moved to Israel; It had always been his dream... Then he moved to NJ to start a family, last I checked he's still a Rabbi and lecturer. Can you imagine the reasons why he didn't choose to start his family in the 'safest place' on Earth?

You are woefully misinformed about daily life here and you need to consume less news designed to terrify you.


As per the FBI[0], antisemitic hate crimes are the second largest category of hate crimes and have consistently stayed there since they started recording data. In New York, the majority of hate crimes are against Jews and it's not even close[1].

[0] https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/

[1] https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimnet/ojsa/FINAL%202023...


Just look at hate crime stats.


You almost got the irony...


So the US basically got billions and billions worth of F-35 R&D for the price of 2B?

Sounds like a decent deal to me.


You completely misunderstood the money flow....


You completely miss the fact that the same R&D Israel has done would have cost 100x more if it were done by US based companies.

The US gains massive cheap R&D and real world tested capabilities for a fraction of the price it would pay domestically.

Now you could argue about the moral implications, but money wise it's a great deal.


Except that is not what is happening:

"...To sweeten the deal, Lockheed Martin said it would buy parts and systems for the F-35 from Israeli companies at a cost of $4 billion..."

What is funny thing to say, since Israel, unlike the other nations, never supported the development costs of the F-35 program :-)


Idk what the median lifespan of a piece of code / project / employee tenure is but probably way less than 10 years, which makes that "long term investment" pretty pointless in most cases.


Unsuccessful projects: way less than 10 years

Successful projects: quite often much longer than 10 years

Code quality doesn't matter until lots of people start using what you wrote and you need to maintain/extend/change it

God it's a depressing thought that whatever work you do is just a throwaway no-one will use. That shouldn't be your end goal


> God it's a depressing thought that whatever work you do is just a throwaway no-one will use

I didn't say that.

In fact if your code doesn't significantly change over time it probably means your project wasn't successful.


Maybe we're talking about different things?

That's one of the biggest benefits of software quality and the long-term investment: how easy is your thing to change?


Right, but that usually means higher quality software design, and less so the exact low level details of function A or function B (in most cases)

If anything I'd claim using LLMs can actually free up your time to really focus on the proper design of the software.

I think the disconnect here is that people bashing LLMs don't understand that any decent engineer isn't just going around vibe coding, but instead creating a well thought design (with or without AI) and using LLMs to speed up the implementation.


I don't think they say they vibe code, just that claude writes 100% of the code.


They're also great for writing design docs, which is another significant time sink for SWEs.


If only Google had the technology for game streaming... Oh wait

RIP Stadia.


Stadia was lightyears ahead, but pro-Microsoft media assassinated it with FUD

While "journalists" were busy bootlicking a laggy 720p Android only xCloud beta, Stadia was already delivering flawless 4K@60FPS in a web browser

They killed the only platform that actually worked just to protect Microsoft

This will be a textbook case study in how a legacy monopoly kills innovation to protect its own mediocrity

Microsoft won't survive the century, they are a dinosaur on borrowed time that has already lost the war in mobile, AI, and robotics

They don't create,, they just buy marrket share to suffocate the competition and ruin every product they touch

Even their cloud dominance is about to end, as they are already losing their grip on the European market to antitrust and sovereign alternatives


I remember a video where they went through scyscrapers zooming into a room, where life was moving on and there was a screen inside a room and there was something running on it. I never understood how this was tanked. It was revolutionary.


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