HN2new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Would computer generated child porn be illegal? No children are harmed in its creation.


No

" (8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where— (A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; (B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

...

(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults. "

In theory, you could argue that the network was trained on child porn, and as such anything produced by it involved the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; but I can't imagine a court actually buying that arguement.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256


Damn it this is serious stuff. Please cease in dispensing incorrect legal opinions.


Wouldn't that make it illegal under 8B?


Sufficiently realistic digital child porn would be prohibited under 8B. The original context of this conversation was neural net generated images, so I had not considered the case of photorealistic images. Those would be a violation of 8B (if they are of sufficient quality).

Having said that the segment I quoted is only the definition of child porn. The law prohibiting child porn [0, section c2] provides that:

"It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge of violating paragraph (1), (2), (3)(A), (4), or (5) of subsection (a) that— ...

the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors. No affirmative defense under subsection (c)(2) shall be available in any prosecution that involves child pornography as described in section 2256(8)(C)"

It is worth mentioning the segments of section A that are excluded from this defence:

Section 3B prohibts the advertisement/distribution/solicitation/etc of of material that is claimed to contain (i) "an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (ii) a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;"

The relevant part of this is (i), where you would need to parse out the definition of "obscene" and "minor". Section 2256 defines minor as "any person under the age of eighteen years", however the courts would probably read it in this context in contrast to the phrase "actual minor". I could not fine the definition of "obscene" or "actual minor". Talk to a lawyer.

Section 6 relates to prohibits providing child porn to a minor.

Section 7 requires a depiction of an identifiable minor.

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252A


Based on what you quoted up-thread a fictional depiction of an identifiable minor would be considered child-pornography too.

Moreover in the above quote it seems it could be considered "using" to use the visual identity of a minor.

I'd imagine that meant it you used any reference image of faces for your neural net there's a chance of violating the "letter" of this provision.

This of course if not legal advice.


Yes. Whether that is a good idea should probably not be debated here, as it will lead to a 500-comment subthread.


Who doesn't love a 500-comment subthread?!


But many can be harmed because of its creation, exposure to it etc.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: