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So begins the slow descent into Luddism.

Seriously now: I think there needs to be a grassroots push for a vety selective approach to technology adoption as described by Kevin Kelly in his book What Technology Wants. If people generally treated new apps and devices with a skeptical 'what does this do for me?' attitude, there might be more herd immunity against abuses of power by large tech firms (Google's stealing location data from users, Intel's engineering backdoors into their products, and Facebook's cynical propaganda profiteering) and resulting social disruption. In Canada, engineers in training are asked to swear an oath that they will serve the public good and only work for honest enterprises. I think that if those values were more widely taught and accepted, toleration of abuses within large tech companies would evaporate. It's a cultural change that needs to happen, and the way to effect cultural change is to practice what you believe, "be the change" as Ghandi said, and to share your ideas with others in your workplace and community.



Though we have to say many Eng. don't respect that oath and are not held responsible... For example civil eng. firms giving money to political parties to have contracts.


I agree that Canadian engineers don't always adhere to the purported ethical principles of their profession.

On the other hand, I hear about far fewer white collar crime scandals involving engineers than people who are not engineers. ...anecdotal of course.


Again - these are not answers. Consider the drives to save the environment by "Not showering! save water" and so on.

Its a non starter.


Yeah dude. Don't change until someone forces you to.


That’s a horrible non-summation of the point.

Yes a very large number of peopl don’t change their routine, habit or comforts until significant external stimulus is applied.

If a solution depends first on wishing reality was different, it’s fantasy. At best a reality to realize.


> If a solution depends first on wishing reality was different, it’s fantasy. At best a reality to realize.

What an awful mischaracterization of my suggestion. I suggest that a person change themselves as a way of influencing the people around them (e.g. stop using facebook if they think facebook has a malign influence on our culture).

If any inconvenience at all is too much inconvenience for a person to live by their principles, I would say that person doesn't have any perceptible principles at all. 'Domesticated animal' might be an apt descriptor for such a person, but it's really unfair to the class of domesticated animals because they don't have the freedom to choose anything but domestication for themselves.




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