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Good to see there is a market for tiny phones. That gives me hope there's a market for sub 5 inch screen phones as well. Or something not bigger as a Samsung Galaxy A3 2017.


I don't know. All I want is an Android between 5 inch and 6 inch, something the size of a 2016 iPhone SE.

But all I see is either gigantic phones, or 3 inches phones like this one so tiny they're barely usable as a smartphone. At that point why not just buy a dumb phone?


> All I want is an Android between 5 inch and 6 inch, something the size of a 2016 iPhone SE.

That's much larger than the SE (4" screen, 125x60x7.5 mm, 110 g compared to 5" screen, 140x70x7.5 mm, 150 g for the 2020 SE). Which is a really nice form factor, and well suited for apps, but not so good for web browsing.


> That's much larger than the SE

Not necessarily if they're talking about the diagonal of the phone: the SE1 has a ~138mm diagonal, which is ~5.4".

At 156mm the SE2 is a bit above 6.1".

Though by that measure the Palm here is hardly "3 inches", it's 4.2".


SE had a 4" screen but you could fit a 5" in the frame (huge bezels)


The Samsung Galaxy S10e is almost exactly the same size and thickness as the iPhone 10 (5.6" x 2.75"). I always thought of the iPhone 10 as "huge", coming from the relatively tiny BlackBerries, but part of that was the bezel-less design that made it seem bigger than it is. Still too big for my preferences, but it's probably the best "small" Android phone out there. Samsung have also made some great design choices that make one-handed use much easier, and the screen doesn't curve around the sides like the regular S10.

It's a one year old phone, but at the moment it's on the latest version of Android. Plus it has a headphone jack.

But like the iPhone, it's a greased piece of glass, so it definitely needs some sort of case.


It works better as a hotspot for the laptop when I need a bigger screen?


There are smart-dumbphones with features like hotspots. The Nokia 8810 has WhatsApp, 4g and WiFi hotspots, as well as lots of other features previously only found in low end bonafide smartphones. Added bonus with the Nokia I mention is that KaiOS (formerly Firefox OS) probably doesn't ship telemetry to Google.


I did not know that. Thank you, most dumb phone also exclude high speed connections because they are cheap and this isnt a normal usecase.


No dumb phone has usable car navigation nor taxi and food apps


The 8110 has Google Maps as well as Uber. And food sites work just as well through their mobile web sites.


If battery life is only 9 hours for music playback, I can’t imagine how bad the battery life is when using it as a hotspot.


Oh, when I hotspot my laptop, I almost always have the phone plugged into it to keep the charge up


Sony should bring back XZ1 Compact form factor. I use XZ1C daily, it's perfect for everything.


I have an XZ1 Compact. It's great, works really well, appealing design, every feature I need - decent screen, headphone jack, camera button, fingerprint reader, feels fast, battery lasts for ages. It's an almost perfect phone. Just one problem: it's too big.

Not by that much, but it definitely is. It's too big to use well one-handed, and it doesn't fit comfortably in a lot of pockets, especially since the corners are pointy.

The perfect phone form factor - and this must surely have been plain to anyone who ever held one - was the Nokia Lumia 620, a Windows phone with 3.8" screen and a curvy back with exchangable double-shot plastic covers. It was a bit like an iPhone 3GS in shape but lighter and with a marginally bigger screen. The phone itself was a bit crap in various ways, but how strange that we should collectively ignore the obvious rightness of this design and go on making them worse and worse for years afterwards. (I'm being flippant, but somewhere in my head I am puzzled by it all)


XZ1 Compact dimensions with an edge to edge screen makes a lot of sense to me. I need some screen real estate to read stuff. For you maybe a Nokia N9 with edge to edge screen would work because it's smaller. I read and wrote this from Opera on XZ1C.


Agreed, the size is perfect and I find it sturdier then Z3 Compact. Aren't there more people like us to justify compact line?


I'm putting off buying a new phone because nothing compares to Z3C. Compact plus good battery life isn't rare anymore, it simply doesn't exist.


We don’t know if there’s a market yet, the product has only just been launched


The phone was released in 2018. I have one and I've never met anyone else who has one, nor even talked to anyone online who has one. People in real life who see my phone are amused, but have no idea what the device is. So unfortunately, I think the market is small (although I also think they fucked it up by releasing it as a locked down "companion device" and only walking back on that half a year later).


For me the IPhone 7 was the perfect size at 4.7, my only wish is that they made it a bit fatter so it will be easy to grasp and not slippery and that also would increase the battery capacity.




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