There's a bunch of people on this thread saying "why on earth would people take photos of themselves naked".

People do this all the time and if you don't then you are probably in the minority. 49% of US phone users send sexually explicit photos - which implies even more are taking the pics and not sending them.

The moralising about "oh no it will leak" is just something people in tech who have never done this worry about. Most people take neck down pics, try to hide identifying marks, using Snapchat disappearing pics (or similar) and don't care too much if that happens to leak.

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sext-much-if-so-y...

You guys focus on her taking nudes, but what about that "discovery" thing? Maybe it's obvious in some regions, but what is going on here? Why was a person forced to hand over their personal communication with no exceptions?

That is super-bizarre. Is that part of a legal investigation of authorities, or a company thing? Why did she even agreed?

Discovery is a process in a legal proceeding. Say I think your providing me components that don't meet the spec called for by a contract. When I sue, at a certain point we reach the discovery phase, where you can be required to turn over all your communication about sourcing these materials as well as all communication about me. These orders are generally pretty broad, and the penalty for failing to disclose something (or worse) destroying evidence is high, hence why for example they wouldn't let her delete the pictures.

As usual the best advice in a situation like this is get your own lawyer.

You’re not allowed to delete things during discovery. This is not an Apple thing, this is U.S. court system thing.

It is an Apple thing because it’s an Apple policy that caused this situation in the first place.

This situation gives a whole new meaning to the term "discovery."

Is this really a common thing people do? Take nude photos and leave them in the phone? No matter work or personal phone. I am wondering how many percent of people do this?

You're assuming narcissism as the main cause, but it could easily be stuff like "that new weird zit that's just propped up that you can't quite self-examine without taking a picture of". Or tracking weight loss. Or anything really.

As for "leave them on the phone", again you seem to assume explicit intent, but it's more likely to be a bit like leaving your underwear on the floor for a few hours when not expecting guests because you can't be bothered to tidy up just yet.

Then one day a child in the neighbourhood goes missing, SWAT raids your house due to an anonymous tip (likely by the murderer themselves), the press spots your underwear, and next thing you know you're called "The Underwear Killer" in the press.

> Or anything really.

Exactly, it does not have to be full frontal lewd nudity for it to be a personal picture. It might as well be a photo of a bank statement or a chat screenshot. Anything, really.

It’s a thing that happens, but in this case, it’s worse because Apple seems to strongly encourage/insist on merging work and personal accounts.

A cautionary tale to remind everyone that work and personal accounts, hardware and software should never merge under any circumstances.

> It’s a thing that happens, but in this case, it’s worse because Apple seems to strongly encourage/insist on merging work and personal accounts.

What's their rationale, at least their open one?

My speculation, given Apple's reputation for paranoia, is so they can more easily access your personal stuff in case they suspect you're a "leaker."

For young people (<30) yes. Pretty much everyone. It is normalized because people our age grew up with phones, though I still think its a bad idea.

It's very common. In my experience when I was dating probably 30-40% of women did.

I think the risk tradeoffs are worth while. I keep my 2FA token generator on my phone, and the inconvenience of losing that is massive.

I don't know the percent, but it wouldn't surprise me if the answer were "almost all."

Don't use work equipment for personal activities?

In the thread it's mentioned that Apple apparently asks employees to use the same iCloud account for work and personal use.

They do not do ask employees to do that.

Some people choose to use personal accounts on their work devices; Apple warns about the possible consequences of doing so.

It’s their own (bad) decision.

Have you read the twitter thread linked at all or are you just making assumptions, because the Twitter thread has MULTIPLE Apple employees confirming that they do indeed make you link your personal account with your work account.

Why on earth would you do this?

Fear. There's obviously a substantial power imbalance when you're talking about a typical Apple employee on one side of the bargaining table and Apple Inc., a company known for having its own Kempetai force, on the other side.

The only rational reply to Apple's policy is "Hell, no. Get bent." But if all you've ever wanted in life is to work for Apple, are you going to rock this particular boat?

My employer could ask me to stand on one leg so would I need to comply?

Under at-will employment, yes, you would need to comply, or be fired.

Fortunately, you can also walk away voluntarily under the same rules.

False. Don't use private equipment for work.

I think if Apple is forcing people to merge personal and work accounts, this is a problem.

It amazes me that people take photos of themselves naked. They will be leaked eventually.

One practical reason is for communication with your doctor.

Unlikely, many of us are also not that interesting on a world scale when nude.

You would think that rationale would also apply to what you Googled last Tuesday, but sadly it doesn't.

Ultimately, your photos don't have to receive world acclaim in order to be interesting. They just have to be interesting enough to be used for ads, embarrassment, and blackmail.

Dupe ( Sort of as they are in the same thread ) https://hackertimes.com/item?id=28241753

I have a feeling we're going to start seeing a lot more similar stories from Apple now that the veil has been pierced in regards to Apple scanning photos. It isn't that these issues didn't exist before, but if you previously brought them to light you'd be quickly attacked by the cult.