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> xmpp failed as big tech (Google, Facebook) protocol

Did it? They embraced it, made external XMPP clients being able to interact with their own services, and then suddenly cut them off. For all we know, they are still using XMPP internally, they just don't federate anymore.



I don't think xmpp failed.

Cisco has products based on it, and there is a wealth of clients using it at my workplace. Many of our other partners use it.

I see it as very complementary to IRC


>I see it as very complementary to IRC

That sounds like a failure of XMPP. There is no reason for someone to need two message platforms other than userbases being split. If you actually wanted both for functionality purposes, it shows both of them are lacking.


They still do. I communicate through Bitlbee/libpurple's XMPP client with friends on Google Hangouts (or whatever it is called now).


Facebook also used xmpp in the past, it appears:

https://eion.robbmob.com/blog/2009/11/04/xmpp-facebook-chat/

Supposedly WhatsApp is also based on xmpp:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhatsApp

It is a great pity that something that has created so much value for so many companies now somewhat languishes. A real shame. Not that xmpp isn't great, but it'd be so much better if the platforms that benefited from it had only contributed back more.


Grindr, notably, is based on XMPP.


Like many extension-oriented protocols, XMPP works for internal use where the same organisation (or two closely cooperating organisations) control both ends, but doesn't work for communication between two loosely connected or unrelated parties.




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