I find this hard to believe. It’s beneficial for everyone including manufacturers for their products to be proven safe.
If we assume manufacturers are intentionally malicious, what prevents them from outright submitting a dummy saline shot for testing instead of the real thing, guaranteeing absolutely zero side-effects?
>It’s beneficial for everyone including manufacturers for their products to be proven safe
Yes, and to many on here, "they were"...and the company benefited from that. Make sense?
It would also benefit the company to cut corners, do as much as they can but not stop the rollout for more, which would take years to be "proven" beyond some threshold as safe.
Much of this proof would require long term testing, impossible to do up front so they would benefit from just releasing them anyways.
>what prevents them
Perhaps there is some optimal range, within which they benefit from best-effort (in a given period of time) attempt at producing what they think does something, what they think doesn't do bad things, and then releasing in full volume to cash in. Everything I'm saying doesn't require them to be nefarious either, even just a little negligence can result in "not actually safe".
If they have cover from government, media, and a willing populace ready to assume safety and efficacy, then what do they have to lose?
It's not so much lying as it is a nefarious combination of motivated reasoning, plausible deniability, blind compliance, responsibility dispersion, greed-motivated short-term thinking, etc.
Exactly, yes. Through phase 3 according to your link would have been about 2 to 6 years. Testing for covid vaxes was nothing of the sort, additionally millions of people have received multiple doses as the drugs are in wide release, whereas normally Phase 2 would be maybe a few hundred and Phase 3 several thousand.
And every step of the way through those layers of filters, many drugs are rejected. Exactly what I was getting at.
It is certainly not your contention that COVID vaccines went through 3 or 4 phases of long term (years) of limited FDA trials is it lol?
1000s in 6 years = millions in 6 months? I think not, and I don't think you do either.
Having been able to circumvent long term FDA trials, obviously.... obviously.... It made it more likely than it otherwise would have been for the drugs to be approved.
> It is certainly not your contention that COVID vaccines went through 3 or 4 phases of long term (years) of limited FDA trials
It seems like you're changing the goalposts here, right? You said "if they tested for longer [than 7 days], they'd be less likely to sell their products." I don't think that holds water.
> additionally millions of people have received multiple doses as the drugs are in wide release, whereas normally Phase 2 would be maybe a few hundred
Each Phase has different goals in mind. Moderna, J+J, and Pfizer are all in Phase IV now. FDA approval for Pfizer came after 6 months of study of tens of thousands of vaccine recipients.
