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Apple has iOS browser control on complete lockdown, so even if it performed as bad as Gecko, they’re pretty well off.

> bite the dust

If I were ceo of Mozilla I would have cut off Firefox development like 5 years ago. It doesn’t look pretty, but AOL and Yahoo changed assets, they don’t look as ugly. But I also hate a lot of what they currently stand for, and they don’t really have assets. They’re like some NPR for web standards documentation, and while it is the best, it’s not very valuable. Google seems to have a lot of leading control while Mozilla is angry outside, with a megaphone, and red-orange dyed hair.

They’ve always been open source, they’ll die of natural causes.



> But I also hate a lot of what they currently stand for.

What exactly out of this this you hate so much? https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/advocacy/


Personally? All of it.

None of Mozilla's virtue signalling serves to bring back the Firefox of yore. Firefox has instead followed Chrome's heels at every turn to the point I might as well just use the real deal rather than a third-rate knock off.

I want a lean, effective browser that I can tailor to my specific needs and desires, and Firefox has been not that for at least 20 years.

Mozilla is (supposed to be) a collective of computer programmers, not activists and lobbyists. So fuck their advocacy, more accurately virtue signalling. All of it. The specifics don't matter. Fuck all of that noise. If they go back to making some good software I might be more supportive and respectful of them again, but not a step before.


> and Firefox has been not that for at least 20 years.

FWIW, Firefox was released just under 20 years ago


Mozilla: A healthy internet requires an active, global community.

Also Mozilla: We need more than deplatforming [of those we disagree with and already attempted to deplatform]


lol so much noise, if this is a browser dev company, they're no better than I am on HN right now during work hours.


But it’s far more than a browser dev company, and the Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit entity.


I guess, I hate to be more pessimistic than I already am, but when I see pointless petitions to “Facebook: Stop Group Recommendations” I don’t see anyone over there truly “fighting the good fight”. I think GNU is a far better example of this type of action.

I think an open source foundation has to stand on the shoulder of a valuable product to get noticed. GNU has all of its things, Mozilla is an acoustic guitar busker playing “bulls on parade by Ratm” outside of a Barnes and Nobles.




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