Had to read about suicides in Singapore. I could not believe this, but apparently suicides were ILEGAL in Singapore until recently :
Suicide was decriminalised in Singapore with the passing of the Criminal Law Reform Bill on 6 May 2019.
Before that, Section 309 of the Penal Code stated that "Whoever attempts to commit suicide, and does any act towards the commission of such offence, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with both."[13] The section was rarely enforced, between 2013 and 2015, only 0.6% of reported cases was brought to court.[
Makes you really think about executing your idea successfully. And also probably no point i hoping for suicide prevention hotline.
> Other ways of measuring “happiness” are bullshit as cultures are different. Suicide is a great metric for happiness.
Suicide rate doesn't measure anything except suicide rate. The happiness index and other studies are very thorough in what they measure, and choose things common to all cultures.
Bizarre to be defending a totalitarian regime because you have no crime. I guess you really think the means justify the ends, maybe because you don't realize the level of compromise.
I'm not trolling. Just because it might be a very pleasant place to live doesn't mean it isn't also totalitarian.
They charge people coming into their country if they have weed in their system (or their law allows them to and it seems they enforce it enough that countries warn their citizens), breaking no law in their country, and quite likely adhering to the law in their country of origin.
They make suicide illegal and PUNISH peoples attempts at it.
You don't think those two points alone (without even bothing to list additional obscene laws) are INSANE? Do you really want to defend them?
Singaporean law forbids their citizens and residents from using drugs in other countries. So if a Singapore resident goes to Amsterdam or Portland and smokes a joint there, they are complying with local laws but still breaking Singaporean laws. Laws with this sort of extraterritorial jurisdiction aren't without precedent. Particularly, other countries, like the US, UK and many others, have similar laws concerning some forms of sex tourism.
> Just because it might be a very pleasant place to live doesn't mean it isn't also totalitarian.
With that I agree, but I think a better word to describe Singapore is 'authoritarian.' Totalitarianism is an extreme form of authoritarianism, in which the government exercises a near total control over every aspect of your life. Singapore regulates many aspects of their citizens lives, as do all functional governments to at least some degree, but I think it falls short of totalitarianism.
Other countries, including the U.S. and European countries regulate who and who cannot come into their borders all the time. Youre entirely free to smoke weed and not visit Singapore. Who are you to dictate what laws they set on their own soil?
Re sucide: you should probably fact check that, because the criminality of suicide was recently repealed in Singapore.
But even if it wasnt, I find your stance hyperbolic considering lots of countries still criminalize suicide. Places in the U.S. considered suicide criminal all the way up to the 90s.
> Who are you to dictate what laws they set on their own soil?
I'm not dictating, I'm disaproving.
Sovereign nations can indeed have whatever laws they want, and I don't have to go there but I can continue to speak out against bad and unjust laws as I see it.
> I find your stance hyperbolic considering lots of countries still criminalize suicide.
Canada will ban Americans for life who've driven drunk in America but never drank a drop anywhere in Canada. If you try to sneak or lie your way in, they'll arrest you.
Don't go to Singapore if you like drugs. How hard can that be? I've been not going to Singapore my entire life.
> Canada will ban Americans for life who've driven drunk in America but never drank a drop anywhere in Canada. If you try to sneak or lie your way in, they'll arrest you.
That's not a bad analogy, except many countries won't let you in if you have a felony on your record. That isn't that unusual.
Singapore is going to arrest people for breaking no rule in their home country, and not for breaking any rules within the country, but simply for showing up at the door because you smoked weed before the 21 hour flight?
I mean, you're right I won't go because I think it's a crappy country, but that doesn't mean I still can't disprove I want to work towards a world where no country has shitty laws like that..
no we just value some things over more than others. like freedom above safety. that is a conscious and reasonable tradeoff we are happy to make. like i am happier living in a place that has higher rates of violent crime if that is the price for increased liberty.
assuming that what you value is the only right option - who's the chauvinist here?
