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I think the real problem is that it's impossible to work as a believer/grinder in any large organisation (e.g. filled with grifters). It's not sustainable to work as a grinder for a long time in the first place, but it's especially terrible when it's unrewarding.


> it's especially terrible when it's unrewarding

you just described the angst of every phd student.


I’ve met a bunch of Phd students that had a pretty rewarding Phd though? It seems to mostly depend on your advisor?


Rewarding while doing it, or rewarding after they got it?


Unless you're a founder, it only makes sense to be a coasting/grifter. Everything else is exploitation/for suckers.


Being a grinder/grifter makes sense. That's how you climb the corporate ladder.

Being a coaster/believer also makes sense, you are essentially trading status for a job you enjoy doing. They are not suckers, they will accept to do more work for less but only if you give them the job they want, otherwise, they won't do it.

Grinder/believers are probably the most likely to be exploited, but it doesn't mean they are suckers either. These are the kind of people who have standards, break their standards and you will find yourself with a surprise letter of resignation. If they are an essential element, as they often are, they will be more than happy to see you struggle as they are now working for a company they deem more worthy, they may take a few fellow believers with them too.


Grinding without ownership? 'tis folly.


can't climb without some hustle

the difference is grinding when you're not getting a payoff or gain


Why would someone grifting prevent you from griding?


It doesn’t. Grinding is perfectly possible. As long as you want even. But it won’t ever be rewarded. It’s a place dreams go to die.


Why would you grind when its not rewarded?




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