European companies are so deeply entrenched in American software ecosystem I can’t even. Just this past week my EU company deployed an agentic LLM hosted on Microsoft Azure with models developed by… Microsoft, on top of the existing GPT hosted on the same platform. They also recently moved their entire in-house HR platform to Oracle.
It’s no mistake China banned foreign companies with infinite money from setting up shop there. It is dangerous and expensive in the long run.
But would they still if the EU used tariff like policy to prohibit it? "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the next best time is now." Make the law, enforce the law, encourage the behavior and outcomes necessary to achieve the success criteria.
As someone with an infra background a lifetime ago, I am confident I could spin up Kubernetes and Deepseek R1 in OVH or Hetzer within a few days. The primitives exist, the EU simply needs to lean into cultivating and supporting them (orgs, platforms, etc) to push EU entities consuming these services away from US Tech. Perhaps the tech stack is a national security interest, just as a manufacturing base and supply chain is. Better to be prepared than to be entrenched in the US Tech ecosystem and then suddenly be held hostage for reasons.
If you look at other countries/regions that impose high tariffs, their companies continue to buy and use American technologies and absorb the cost (to their local customers' detriment).
I'd certainly enjoy the case studies of European enterprises jumping from full-scale Azure and AWS deployments to OVHcloud or Hetzner, though. That'd make for some interesting reading.
But what if they outright ban it, as the US was going to do with TikTok (for national security reasons)? This it the tech services version of Nord Stream.
It's not really workable. The real-world impact of a TikTok ban, even if it outright stopped working on every American device overnight is pretty minimal; people stop watching videos, and some influencers lose their jobs.
If my (Canadian) government decides to ban Azure in a year, my critical infrastructure company ignores it for 11 months because they figure it won't actually happen, and then goes to the government to tell them that if the ban actually goes through, our infrastructure stops working because we'd actually need a multi-year timeframe to migrate off of Azure.
Everyone knows spinning things up is a piece of piss. It's the on-going maintenance and economies of scale that aren't. Not to mention migration, compliance, etc
Tariffs don’t really work for software, especially if the software provider holds lots of foreign government contracts, and you assume the foreign government and provider are colluding to get control over your systems.
The EU’s problem is that it doesn’t foster company growth on any level and doesn’t help with problems specific to the EU (e.g. multiple languages, differing laws, varying levels of unionization, and more).
Blaming Trump for their own well-known problems is silly. They were dependent on the US before him and they will continue to be dependent on the US after him until they look in the mirror and decide to fix what is broken.
Hosting LLMs at scale without Azure/Bedrock is still a massive pain, and they offer EU based data sovereignty, so not clear what the problem is there (or are we now saying no doing business with US companies at all?)
If Microsoft is providing EU data sovereignty, then they’re either in violation of US law (the US CLOUD Act, specifically) or do not have the technical capability to access data on those servers. (So, for instance, the machines could be air gapped, or they could be configured to never honor MS credentials, including on the software update path).
In practice, this means no US cloud providers provide foreign data sovereignty (though many claim to).
The CLOUD Act is incompatible with basic data protection rights.
As long as whatever sham of a data protection agency was nominally functional in the US european elites could convince themselves that it was legal to transfer personal data to some US corporations, but now that agency is defunct.
But yeah, it's a bad idea to do business with empires. Sooner or later they turn to bullying and extortion.
As a UK based engineer, I wish. I cannot for the life of me even get an interview, maybe first level HR interview for US companies. Meanwhile when applying for UK jobs, no problem.
Don't know what it is. Am I not fake enough? Not forcing fake smiles and excluding obnoxious positivity constantly? Not ego stroking the interviewer? Am I doomed to, in comparison to US, poverty wages?
I'm not sure if you've misunderstood, so apologies if this is old news. US companies may have teams of engineers in various other countries. But they almost always pay local market rate. In much the same way US companies will pay teams in India their local market rate (which is less again).
My last company paid 2-2.5x a UK salary for a US engineer. Perhaps the ratio for a company like Meta is closer, but I doubt it's equal. For startups you may find random roles that have equal pay globally, but they're relatively uncommon.
Oh, you mean like Spotify? Or those thousands of Mittelstand companies across Europe that Americans don't know about but are actually used in Europe?
But the argument of the parent might be that a very active open source community based in Europe points towards a big potential of experienced developers working at their mid sized companies in the shadow of American big tech. Once big tech is gone...
Europe has done this before. Airbus did not exist but now it is the best aircraft maker since Boeing decided to retire all their senior engineers in favor of quick profits. Europe created Airbus, they can do the same with a new Cloud provider.
Don't forget Boeing moved their headquarters and leadership to DC. Making the widgets is just the inconvenient part management doesn't really care about/need to be involved with, the focus worthy part of their business is government extraction in Boeing corporate's minds. Our corporate class is such short sigted trash.
> I guess "Make America Great" may spawn a big Cloud Industry in Europe.
Unlikely.
I've worked at an american cloud provider and (in another job) i've worked with an european cloud provider (in this context, when I say "worked with" I mean i was in contact with the people actually managing the hardware as well as the software that serves the "cloud").
It's just a completely different mindset, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
The main issue i see is that european cloud providers mostly have technically-ignorant upper management for which providing a cloud offering essentially boils down to "buy this software component from company xyz (likely an american company) and install this open source product abc, then slap a cloud marketing name and unleash the salespeople". They can't even contemplate the idea hiring somebody with FAANG-level skills, paying it FAANG-level money and let it do FAANG-level work. They hire a few underpaid 20-somethings and have them manage, at best, an OpenStack installation.
I kid you not: in late 2021 i was in a meeting with (among the others) the head of cloud engineering of one such companies and asked when are they planning on offering ipv6 connectivity. The guy had a loud laugh and said they had no plans to even consider ipv6 connectivity. And that was at a company that does both "cloud" computing infrastructure and connectivity (!!!). That's the mindset.
I don't see europe building a realistic alternative to american cloud providers, and the core issue is not technical.
> The main issue i see is that european cloud providers mostly have technically-ignorant upper management for which providing a cloud offering essentially boils down to "buy this software component from company xyz (likely an american company) and install this open source product abc, then slap a cloud marketing name and unleash the salespeople". They can't even contemplate the idea hiring somebody with FAANG-level skills, paying it FAANG-level money and let it do FAANG-level work. They hire a few underpaid 20-somethings and have them manage, at best, an OpenStack installation.
Thank you! As a german that saw how the sauce is made in public sector tenders it's exactly this!
This is not restricted to hosting / cloud sector. It's a good summary for most german IT companies.
Arrogance and incompetence are rampant. Programmers and their managers need to go en masse to have some substantial change.
Everyone is so full of themselves and disconnected from reality it's scary.
>I don't see europe building a realistic alternative to american cloud providers, and the core issue is not technical.
The brain drain ultimately takes it toll. The most capable people from europe ( and every where else), move to US , be they engineers, management, entrepreneurs etc.
> The brain drain ultimately takes it toll. The most capable people from europe ( and every where else), move to US , be they engineers, management, entrepreneurs etc.
And they are going to stay there once the megalomaniac in chief and his South African oligarch have gone with their wrecking ball through the very fabric of the US society and economy?
the real point is not ipv6 (or this or that specific service). the point is the attitude.
anybody in this subthread bikeshedding what aws service supports what version of the ip protocol has missed the point and would probably fail a text comprehension test.
Nobody missed the point. The examples of AWS after 15 years still being dragged into full IPv6, is to show the lack of support for IPv6, is not the lack of technical awareness that is trying to be demonstrated.
Depending on the context, and granted, lacking some of the subtle details missing in the interaction described, might actually show real experience in the field.
They also move too slowly, so they fall further and further behind each year.
For example, Hetzner has great potential, but they’re only just now releasing object storage after 4 years in the cloud space, and they don’t even have managed database yet.
But the more important point was that they started branding themselves as a cloud vendor 4 years ago, and investing in new offerings around that pitch, but it’s taking them far too long to release basic parts of the offering, and they’re falling behind.
My local European ISP provided me /64 IPv6 addresses since at least 2020 and had so called sticky IPv4 addresses since at last 1999. They were sticky because they did not change for years if the box was connected within 15 min.
This was possible because motivated individuals held technical positions in the ISP while the management has been totally incompetent and was later jugged outright corrupt.
Because of corrupt management and public scandals, my ISP has been sold to Orange. I am afraid this will end the 25 years of technical excellence as well.
The EU hasn't even got a home-built social network with significant market reach, let alone the wherewithal to pull off ditching Microsoft and Google. It'd be nice to see that change, but there's surely some sort of blocker after 25 years of the Web being a mainstream technology.
The used to exist (e.g. Hyves, StudiVZ), but they are murdered by FAANG. However, there are still locally successful companies that could expand to the rest of Europe if US companies were dropped. E.g. just speaking of The Netherlands, Bol.com is much more popular than Amazon, Marktplaats is more popular than eBay (which is pretty much non-existent here) and owned by a Nordic company, etc., iDEAL is much more popular for payments than PayPal, Stripe, etc. (and works far better). Such companies can fill the void.
Microsoft will be tough to replace. There are good alternatives, but retraining personnel, etc. will take years. Google, I am not sure. Their cloud services are replaceable. Search may be tougher, but the quality of Google Search has become so bad that it's often easier to ask an LLM.
With social networks or any EU startup problem is you have to deal with different languages right at the start.
Being US startup with English only you have access to 300m people right away.
There were country specific social networks but then all cool kids were on FB so everyone moved there.
The same with LinkedIn, our country specific business social network closed down finally last year. First 3-5 years it was growing then everyone moved to LinkedIn so that network was ghost town for 15 years someone kept it alive just in case but seems like they stopped wasting money.
I think the language problem will become less of a problem in the future due to (1) more (young) people living in citys and (2) all young people in cities speaking english. At least compared to previous generations imo. This could be my subjective view based on luxembourg, netherlands, and visiting other european cities.
Don't overestimate "young people speaking english" especially with current demography you still need to tap ones that are excluded from English as there will be much more of those.
I do see opportunities with LLMs as making all kind of platforms language agnostic - you should be able to write your own language and read your own language even if other person is from different country using different language.
Maybe so called social network is not something to reproduce. Who cares who runs them if they deteriorate sociality, generate addictive consumption of things detrimental to mental health and favor extremists point of view?
And that's why we need to stop being dependent on the US: everything in there is described in terms of « market share », and not in terms of usefulness, ethics, or independence.
There is an active effort currently to have the EU contribute towards funding https://freeourfeeds.com/ (to enable a distributed, global AT Proto network). Does the EU need the network to be home grown or have the valuation matter? I argue no, it is a utility, not a business to be captured and squeezed by investors or other potential controlling interests.
(as of this comment, Bluesky has ~32M users and counting)
Well, I'm all for the return of the classic forum experience!
The UK's largest "social" sites are pretty much forums (e.g. Mumsnet, The Student Room, DigitalSpy, MoneySavingExpert) and while they're good for their respective topics, they don't cover the Reddit/Facebook/Instagram use cases (they could be arguably considered on a par with individual sub-reddits).
Well, I'm all for the return of the classic forum experience!
If you make each individual bulletin board receive broadcasts from a central server, then you get the network effects of Facebook and Reddit. Individual boards can just sub to the central server keeping them connected to the hivemind or not. Your community can remain isolated or throttled (only 30% of global updates get through). We do this manually here, where not all global posts get through (you'd be hard pressed to push a Reddit post to the top here). It's the simplest way to federate using existing technology.
This model is already at play. X, Bluesky, Reddit, Truth Social, and Rumble are basically heavily funded private message boards with a large mindshare subscriber base.
Taking our message boards back is proving to be difficult, especially because trying to move the userbase off of it is the same as trying to move people off drugs.
> If you make each individual bulletin board receive broadcasts from a central server
Your're doing this with phpBB? Doesn't happen to be open-source somewhere?
Would be interesting to have a look, I think I a bit like this opt-in partial federation / hivemind. Would be even more interesting if it was possible to sync comments between such forums.
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Developing forum software myself, Talkyard. Based in Europe (Sweden).
Started thinking even more about using some European cloud, as an option. There's a Swedish hosting provider that looks interesting (I think)
I guess you could do syncing kind of like how CCing email is done. CC my home server and global server. This gives you agency to remain detached from the hivemind, and vice versa. This is not some idea out of left field, it's roughly my workflow between Reddit or HN or other sites. I manually do the filtering in my mind when I move through different channels.
Phpbb is open source, but I mostly brought it up to show that Facebook is just that, and nothing more. Forking Reddit will also give you a Facebook clone (and a Reddit clone).
I was wondering if you're using a phpBB extension you've built yourself, and if it's on GitHub or somewhere (the extension), or ... It's not a built-in feature?
Websearched for "phpBB federation" and "phpbb subscribe rss broadcasts", found this:
Too many trade barriers, stifling rules and general hostility to growing tech companies for the EU to compete with US companies, and only looks to get more restrictive. I’d bet against the EU pulling it off unless there’s a big coordinated realignment of priorities.
There is already a decent cloud industry in Europe. OVH has been around for decades, and many companies in North America even use them because they are often a bit cheaper. But you also have newer players like Scaleway and CDNs like Bunney.net that are growing fast.
I think the harder services to replace are things like Github and O365/Google Workplace.
"Cloud" is not boxes like OVH and Hetzner sell. Cloud is a gigantic software layer offering all kinds of features and abstractions.
I think it'd be faster and cheaper to replicate GitHub or even Office, which are complex but fairly feature-stable, than to offer a real cloud competitor with a fraction of the services that Amazon, Microsoft or Google offer in their cloud portfolios.
I heard an interesting thought on the Lex Friedman podcast though. If software engineering really becomes cheaper and more readily available thanks to AI, maybe more companies will start building more of their own services. Then, maybe then, will the European enterprise be able to wean itself off from the big cloud vendors.
I know what Cloud is, and OVH has a cloud, with many of the same services as AWS. Even Bunny can be configured via terraform. So the reality today is that AWS and other cloud offerings have strong alternatives, but Office and Github don't.
I think the impact is going to be far greater than that.
I have seen, at least here in the UK, some people speaking about moving entirely back to hardware that is controlled by the organisation. The case is there on a cost basis already but people are reluctant to admit this. If another magical guarantee expires such as a security one, then the reason can be shifted to that and the cost justification is collateral.
Getting out of PaaS systems is going to be horrible and expensive though. We never should have gone further than IaaS.
I suspect the idea of the cloud as it stands today may die fairly quickly.
> I guess "Make America Great" may spawn a big Cloud Industry in Europe.
Have you tried using OVH? It's... not ready for prime time. Don't get me wrong, I love it for cheap EU servers, but man is it a pain in the ass to deal with.
That was true for Trump 1. This time round, things appear to have changed. The CEOs of these companies sitting front-row at the inauguration is the most visible sign of their newfound mutual love. MAGA have found out these companies will just bend to their ideological will in the interest of shareholder value and it shows.
Maybe in future, but for now these companies are not liked in MAGA-land, and simply attending the inauguration of a president hasn’t really changed anything.
Not just for Trump 1. It was true right up until January 1 of this year. Their "conversion" just started and it remains to be seen whether there is any depth to it or it's a publicity stunt to avoid Trump's ire over the next 4 years.
Three of them (AGA) had tech bosses at prime seats at the inauguration. MAGA might hate them, but the Musk, Thiel, etc. crowd that seem to be in control of the While House are big tech. MAGA was only for the MAGA electorate to get into power. Sadly poor/angry voters will happily vote against their own interests if you can make them hate (immigrants, liberals, DEI, woke, whatever does the job).
Germany pretty much only ordered the F-35 to carry US nuclear weapons because their current platform (Tornado) is getting retired. They didn't want to hand over Typhoon schematics to retrofit it. They pretty much only had the choice between F18s or F35s.
You know, if we were really adversarial, it would be really really wise to reconsider allowing German planes, whether home built or bought from the US, "loaner" nuclear weapons to carry into battle.
The F-35 is an extremely compelling and competitive product, with some unique forward-looking capabilities that are difficult to replicate. It was also built for export, both technically and politically, so many of the foreign buyers are more invested in it than they may otherwise be.
It is this generation's F-16, many thousands will be built and sold.
My country bought the F-35 for the sole purpose of being a deterrent to a future Russian invasion. Now that the US and Russia are allies, how can we trust that those planes will receive spare parts and other support during a conflict?
I think European alternatives for F35 are obviously needed.
Not if the US becomes more and more adversarial, especially if they jeopardize NATO. The current administration already acts almost like an enemy of Europe, it's quite baffling. Politicians have to justify military expenses to the voters.
Many of the physical parts are manufactured in Europe under license. I've never heard of this as a major concern.
The main point of conflict is that the US holds the source code for the advanced software systems very closely, no partner country has access. A lot of the differentiated and exotic capabilities of the F-35 that make it attractive to other countries are in the software, everyone recognizes this. There are many algorithms and techniques that rely on classified computer science to deliver qualitative advantages. Even if other countries could replicate the hardware, without replicating the software anything they built would be a pale shadow of the F-35 in terms of capability, which makes alternative hardware much less compelling.
The US knows all the leverage is in the software, so that is the part they strictly control. It is yet another case of the software eating the world, military systems edition.
That's interesting. I'd have assume the secret sauces were in the radar and targeting systems.
Maybe the source code also contains a secret kill switch? I'd definitely put one in if I was selling fighter planes to 3rd parties. Alliances can switch overnight, as we're seeing right now.
IIRC the French refused to give the UK the means to disable Argentina's Exocets during the Falklands War.
The US has a bunch of (classified) tech to make reverse engineering unusually difficult. It is also several million lines of complex code. Different countries have different builds of the software, with some features missing, degraded, or disabled. There are also regular capability upgrades with new software versions; the production versions of some software features are roadmap items still under development.
I suspect that by the time anyone was able to successfully reverse engineer it, it would be semi-obsolete, which limits the value in doing so. Playing catch-up requires taking a lot of aggressive R&D risks that European governments have traditionally been very uncomfortable with or which take far too long to execute.
They would lose access to lots of tech for example top radar tech which is designed (and I think built) in Europe as well as lithography machines. We'll sell the latter to China instead of the US if they try to play those games.
What drones are you going to get for $10 each (now or in the future)? How are they “unstoppable”? How are you going to deploy millions of $10 drones on the battlefield without tons of $100M platforms that can survive AA defenses long enough to get to the engagement? How much range do you think $10 of batteries even gets you?
I can today assemble a drone from parts from Alipay and program the firmware in an esp32 for ~ 20$. I am not kidding, Google it.
That is without me manufacturing any of the components. If one had a nation state backing I am confident it can be done for a fraction of it.
They are unstoppable because if you have a tank and there is a swarm of 500 of them what do you aim? One of them will find the opening to drop the grenade on your tanks weak spot. These are all single use kamikaze drones.
Same for battery range. Europe is preparing for a defensive war on their land. Even 10 miles of ranges should suffice. You can always deploy them from a mothership.
You’re massively underestimating what it takes to get from an esp32 hobbyist drone to a weaponized drone with 10 mile range and an actual explosive payload capable of taking out armor (in any number). Or the sensor package it would take to make them useful against personnel. Let alone deploying ten million of them in a real war.
And you’re entirely ignoring the very real problem of the mothership which has to survive to get within ten miles of the battlefield, unless you’re planning on releasing them from box trucks which means their range will either be useless or they’ll get taken out by bigger, more expensive loitering drones the second they’re spotted. War is antagonistic co-evolution in its purest form, these naive solutions dont last very long which is why our weapons cost so much (for everyone, not just the west).
When you spread the risk across 10M units you are better off compared to placing all of your bets in one super fancy unit. Remember in the Ukrainian war, Russia took out most of the Ukrainian planes in their hangars, before even they took off.
I totally agree with you that drone swarms is not a silver bullet, and likely some effective adversarial strategy will be developed(jamming, attacking motherships etc), but the point is that airplanes are not as important as they were in the past. Ukraine is still standing with no real air presence.
The battlefields in Ukraine is how we know the real cost of those drones - they managed to push it down to around $300/unit for FPV ones, which are the primary armor killers.
Given that for today's election here in Germany actual problems barely played a role. Not just that, over the last two decades very little was done. For example, we have skyrocketing rents due to a general lack of housing, which leads to all kinds of problems apart from affordability. For example worker mobility. Who dares to move to another job and city when it's so hard to find a flat?
That's par for the course for almost all big problems.
I think the probability is high that the new German government is going to try to sit this one out. After all, they survived Trump the last time, and it's only four years, right? Worse, they would have to do many things that will be very unpopular with one or the other interest group.
Unless somebody puts a gun to the heads of all those in government they will procrastinate rather than make any big changes.
I see little chance that they will cancel the order for US military hardware. They might actually buy a lot more, to appease Trump. After all, not getting the F-35 would have repercussions for the nuclear sharing agreement with the US. They need the F-35 to have a certified platform for nuclear bombs they are supposed to get from the US, stored in Germany for that purpose.
That would mean they would need a European approach to nuclear weapon sharing and weapons. The German government regularly has trouble even just to work together with only France, due to wildly different philosophies and interests.
Europe is far too divided, and the German government sees its role in doing as little as possible when it comes to radical change.
I think part of it is that the leadership of all our big parties mostly consists of politicians whose whole life is just that. They don't have anything else. Even if they get a job at a company it's for their political connections. They won't risk this, and they barely have any strong opinions! They look at polls and change what they stand for accordingly and easily. I'm not saying this to sound mean, I think that this is a mostly accurate description.
Opposing the US would take spine! It's a lot of trouble and uncertainty. They will try to avoid that if at all possible.
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By the way, it's not just F-35. Germany also ordered the Israeli-American Arrow 3 long-range missile defense system, sixty CH-47 Chinook, and 380 other contracts worth 23 billion just from the "Sondervermögen" (special fund) of 100 billion. Surely that will just become more, given that Germany continues to need to purchase things like Patriot missiles.
The strategy was - to the chagrin of the French if I understood the news articles written at the time right - to rather buy something proven and quickly available from the Americans rather than start a lengthy inter-European development process.
That's the problem with adversarial competition instead of collaboration. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you think the other entity is a shark, then your going to start acting like a shark too in order to protect yourself.
Yup you already can specifically sequester your data to Microsoft's or Amazon's EU-only servers, and even smaller companies like 1Password offer to store your data on 1password.eu instead of 1password.com.
However there can be weirdness sometimes. I vaguely remember a case where Microsoft had to hand over EU data to a US law enforcement agency due to a court order, but giving that data would violate Irish law. I know there's a new variant of the EU-US Privacy Shield, but with the current US administration that could get ignored very easily.
Which raises the question: can for example Microsoft-the-US-entity in de jure sense cleave off Microsoft-the-EU-entity whilst still maintaining de facto connection between the two? If not, there are definitely big opportunities abound.
What Microsoft might end up doing is following the China model, essentially giving control over their EU servers (probably only those in a special region) to an EU company, while still supplying the software and taking a (very large) cut of the profits.
I just don't know how this makes any meaningful difference towards the threat model of the US gov't becoming compromised if a US company still controls said servers and the CLOUD Act allows the US gov't to freely subpoena the contents of those servers. The companies involved will still do what the US says because they are forced to.
Like, the conversation will go, "Get us this data"; "EU law says we're not allowed to"; "We don't care, do it or we shut you down."
There’s not a great alternative in the next few months, perhaps not in the next few years, but in the longer term European countries should take this as a critical warning. Failing to cultivate a domestic software industry in 2025 is like failing to cultivate a domestic manufacturing industry in 1825.
Russia struggles as well. habr.ru is full of stories about rebranded western software and hardware sold at exorbitant prices with fake certificate of local produce )
Some open source projects are rebranded as Russian with minimal changes, that happens, yes, but that's the result of gaming the system that incentivizes development of Russian software, not the result of sanctions.
Russian replacements of Office 365 and Google Docs seem to be doing well.
As for hardware, the EU is not yet under American sanctions.
On the other hand, many of us in Europe still have the memories (or our parents tales) of our governments spying on everything we say and do. With all the chilling consequences.
Half a century of communist rule showed us not to trust our governments.
Every now and then, the Brussels bureaucrats show us how much do they value our privacy and electronic safety.
Europe is already pretty experienced in increasing their costs of doing business to avoid any sort of risk already so I’m sure they’ll figure something out.
Not just Trump but any potential future administration. We’re no longer reliable partners who can keep continuity of our bureaucracy and foreign policy going for longer than four years without a geopolitical seizure.
Who are “they”? Several European countries have nuclear power (together with some other source as well of course) and are planning to build more. It will probably take a long time though.
Linux will gain traction as soon as people have difficultly figuring out how to open a terminal window - by design. The main problem with linux, or specifically linux distros, is that they are designed and maintained by people who like using linux, which eternally damns it to ~5% market penetration.
Maybe of the "liberal" Europeans techies are commenting on this American website and complaining about how bad America is, apparently with no self-awareness and how European governments and not only should boycott American stuff. The same goes for commenting the same thing on American website Reddit.
Maybe Linux will end up making big inroads in Europe, replacing Windows and MicroSoft Office and Office 365 along with Google Docs.