Cherry picking isn't compelling. The parallels between the philosophies of ICE and Israel are noticeable. ie Extraneous damage and laws broken along the way are justified collateral damage by sympathizers. A dark period for the US, indeed.
>>> No they're not. Deporting illegal aliens is not "wildly" illegal. - anonfordays
>> Cherry picking isn't compelling.
> Glad that's not what I'm doing. - anonfordays
Yes it is. "Actions" is broader than your cherry picked singular action - "deporting illegals". Rephrasing, graciously, something like "the deporting of illegals is the goal and that's lawful" would be more correct. Unfortunately, I don't think you have anything to add to a good faith discussion. Good luck with whatever.
This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "deporting illegal aliens," they're throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers.
The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit," I'm not sure if you grew up in the same America as me or what but I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that officers throwing a tear gas canister into the restaurant I'm eating at and then asking me to "show my papers" is exactly the kind of Soviet-ass behavior that it's my American duty to protest.
I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep undocumented migrants out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and the undocumented migrants in the kitchen before I take the communist alternative you're offering.
Liberty or death, and in this case it's not even death, it's cheap good food.
This is a bad faith argument. ICE is not "throwing tear gas canisters into busy restaurants and locking people in without cause while they check their papers," they're deporting illegal aliens.
>The America I grew up in would call that "commie shit,"
No they wouldn't have. The America I grew up in didn't have a political party that fetishized trafficking in the third-world into the US. That is "commie shit."
>I'm pretty sure that I have a better representative understanding of American values to know that officers throwing a tear gas canister into the restaurant I'm eating at and then asking me to "show my papers" is exactly the kind of Soviet-ass behavior that it's my American duty to protest.
Repeating false propaganda likely from Russian assets posting on reddit is Soviet-ass "commie shit."
>I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep undocumented migrants out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and the undocumented migrants in the kitchen before I take the communist alternative you're offering.
I don't care about any justification, if what it requires to keep illegal immigrant slaves out of restaurant kitchens is that cops get to kick down doors and ask people randomly for papers, I'll take the America with the 4th and 5th amendments and tear gassing rioters in before I take the communist alternative of importing slave labor you're offering.
Both of us can play this game. Flooding the West with illegal aliens is literal Soviet-era propaganda. Deporting them is democracy, as this is a country for the of the people, by the people, for the people
The People, historically, are immigrants. The facts back my argument.
15% of the population are immigrants since 1860.
Drops to 5% in the 60's to 80's, maybe that's the cause of your short-term understanding of American history, since in recent memory immigration was quite low (and thus begins the decline of American prosperity at the same time, interesting).
Increases back up to 15% in the late 2000's... right as we have historic increases in markers for prosperity (overlay the same chart against the stock market).
We are returning to the proper state of America, as the world's melting pot, and the most successful and prosperous nation on earth as a result.
>The People, historically, are immigrants. The facts back my argument.
Legal immigrants, that became citizens, historically. The facts back my argument.
>Drops to 5% in the 60's to 80's, maybe that's the cause of your short-term understanding of American history
Drops of illegal immigration to 5% or less in the 60's to 80's, maybe that's the cause of your short-term understanding of American history.
>since in recent memory immigration was quite low (and thus begins the decline of American prosperity at the same time, interesting).
Delusional take. America's prosperity skyrocketed during that timeframe, much more so than the past decade and a half of high illegal immigration.
>Increases back up to 15% in the late 2000's... right as we have historic increases in markers for prosperity (overlay the same chart against the stock market).
Stock market growth != real GDP growth. This exposes your poor understanding of the economy and immigration as a whole. Not to mention the Great Recession.
>We are returning to the proper state of America, as the world's melting pot, and the most successful and prosperous nation on earth as a result.
Ironically yes. Deporting illegal immigrants back to their home countries is the proper state. Democrats importing an underclass of less than legal humans is nothing new to the US.
>Deporting them is democracy, this is a country for the of the people, by the people, for the people
I doubt if it ever really was true to the fullest extent ever. I do think that America did it better that most other counties on earth, but my view is that ‘Democracy’ as is generally practiced is a form of oligarchy, a sophisticated one at that, where common people have the illusion of choosing the laws and leaders they like. In a ‘democracy’ consent is manufactured (words borrowed from Noam Chomsky).
No they're not. Deporting illegal aliens is not "wildly" illegal.