Remember, the claim I challenged is that LLMs know culture and can handle talking about them. You need to focus.
Anyway:
> The marketing is telling everyone that they're amazing PhD level geniuses. I just demonstrated that they resemble more an average internet idiot than a specialist.
First, you didn't. Average internet idiot doesn't know jack about either Western New Age ancient aliens culture or actual ancient Egypt, let alone being able to write an essay on both.
Second:
You seem to be wildly overestimating what "PhD-level" implies.
Academics do a lot of post-docs before they can turn a doctorate into a professorship.
The SOTA models are what PhD level looks like: freshly minted from university without much experience.
Rather than what you suggest, the academic response to "PhD level" is not to be impressed by marketing then disapointed with results, because an academic saying "wow, a whole PhD!" would be sarcasm in many cases: a PhD just step 1 of that career path.
Similarly, medical doctors have not been impressed just by LLMs passing the medical exam, and lawyers not impressed by passing the Bar exam. Because that's the entry requirement for the career.
Funnily enough, three letters after the name does not make someone infallible, it's the start of a long, long journey.
Academia, medics, lawyers, coders, hearing about PhD level means we're expecting juniors and getting them too.
I pretended to be less knowledgeable than I currently am about the egyptologists vs. ancient aliens public debate. Then I reported my results, together with the opinion of specialists from trusted sources (what actual egyptologists say).
There is _plenty_ of debate on the internet about this. It is a popular subject, approached by many average internet idiots in many ways. Anyone reading this right now can confirm this by performing a search.
You're trying to blur the lines between what an actual PhD is and what the perceived notion of what a PhD is. This is an error. My original comment regarding PhDs was placed in a marketing context. It is the same as the "9 in 10 specialists recomment Colgate" trick. In that analogy, you're trying to explain to me how dentists get their degree, instead of acknowledging that I was talking about the deceptive marketing campaign.
You also failed to generalize the example outside of the egyptology realm. I can come up with other examples in other areas I consider myself above-average-but-not-actual-researcher. Attempts to demoralize me in those subjects won't make the LLM better, this is not a classical idiot internet debate: you winning doesn't make me lose. On the contrary: your use of diversion and misdirection actually support my case. You need to rely on cheap rethoric tactics to succeed, I don't.
This video came out right after I posted my original challenge, and it explains some of the concepts I'm hopelessly trying to convey to you:
It is a friendly cartoon-like simplification of how AIs are evaluated. It is actually friendly to AI enthusiasts, I recommend you to watch it and rethink the conversation from its perspective.
I've skimmed both of these - this is some substantial and pretty insightful reading (though 2021 was ages ago - especially now that AI safety stopped being a purely theoretical field). However, as of now, I can't really see the connections between the points being discussed there, and anything you tried to explain or communicate. Could you spell out the connection for us please?
By pretending to know less of egyptian culture and the academic consensus around it, I played the role of a typical human (not trained to prompt, not smart enough to catch bullshit from the LLM).
I then compared the LLM output with real information from specialists, and pointed out the mistakes.
Your attempt at discrediting me revolves around trying to estabilish that my specialist information is not good, that ancient aliens is actually fine. I think that's hilarious.
More importantly, I recognize the LLMs failing, you don't. I don't consider them to be good enough for a gullable audience. That should be a big sign of what's going on here, but you're ignoring it.
> The marketing is telling everyone that they're amazing PhD level geniuses. I just demonstrated that they resemble more an average internet idiot than a specialist.
First, you didn't. Average internet idiot doesn't know jack about either Western New Age ancient aliens culture or actual ancient Egypt, let alone being able to write an essay on both.
Second:
You seem to be wildly overestimating what "PhD-level" implies.
Academics do a lot of post-docs before they can turn a doctorate into a professorship.
The SOTA models are what PhD level looks like: freshly minted from university without much experience.
Rather than what you suggest, the academic response to "PhD level" is not to be impressed by marketing then disapointed with results, because an academic saying "wow, a whole PhD!" would be sarcasm in many cases: a PhD just step 1 of that career path.
Similarly, medical doctors have not been impressed just by LLMs passing the medical exam, and lawyers not impressed by passing the Bar exam. Because that's the entry requirement for the career.
Funnily enough, three letters after the name does not make someone infallible, it's the start of a long, long journey.
Academia, medics, lawyers, coders, hearing about PhD level means we're expecting juniors and getting them too.