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Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement. Plus touchscreens are much cheaper than buttons and knobs.


> Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement.

Sure, however....

> Plus touchscreens are much cheaper than buttons and knobs.

And how much LESS safe is using a touchscreen while operating a motor vehicle? Its literally no different from using an iPad.


There are large implementation differences in touch screens. My wife's care needs several second: turn the radio on, wait for the splash screen, press the drives heat control, wait for it to appear (100s of ms - long enough to notice) then find the button in the miedle of the screen - finally I can change the heated seats. My car that button is always has the button at the bottom of the screen in the same place so is is ms to look and see.


You still lose the tactile feedback of the button though. It's much harder to hit it while not looking versus a physical knob.

There's a reason Euro NCAP requires physical climate controls for ca models to get a five star safety rating starting in 2026.


Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement.

You know that a backup camera can be added to practically any car right? My ~2002 Toyota has a Pioneer deck from around 2007 (I guess?) that supports reversing camera input. My wifes 2012 Toyota hybrid has a reversing camera using some POS cheap Chinese deck that's so shit it doesn't even support Bluetooth audio.

No part of reversing cameras are dependent on any of the "modern" trends in cars that are being discussed here.


I responded to a comment about screens.


You don't need 'dual 12.3" touch screens' for a reversing camera.


I should have mentioned a digital dashboard is also cheaper than a traditional one, I guess. But isn't that obvious?


What's that got to do with reversing cameras?


Dual screens. One for infotainment, including the backup camera, the other for the dash.

Have you never seen a newer model car?


I feel like you're deliberately missing the point.

You don't need them to have a reversing camera. Literally millions of cars over the past 2 decades have perfectly fine reversing cameras using the screen of a regular double-DIN deck (or fold out single-DIN deck).


I, too, felt you were being intentionally dense in this thread. We've just been talking past each other.

I don't see a meaningful distinction between a screen on a DIN unit and an integrated screen.

With Android Auto or the ios equivalent -- a hard requirement for most car buyers today -- a touchscreen is basically required.

Other "smart" features aren't required but I'm not surprised car companies want to try and extract value from in-car tech. It's got nothing to do with providing value to consumers.


> I don't see a meaningful distinction between a screen on a DIN unit and an integrated screen.

Someone questioned why a car needs two 12" touch screens.

To which you replied

> Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement.

My entire point is, that there's zero relationship between having a backup camera, and needing a 12" touchscreen, or a touch screen of any kind.

If your backup camera needs a touch screen, you've already failed. The entire point is that it activates automatically and deactivates automatically.

They've been available for literally decades - Toyota had a production model with a reversing camera in the fucking 80s.

Nothing else you've said since is related to your claim "Backup cameras are an enormous safety improvement" and that claim is completely unrelated to OP's question about why a car needs not one but two 12" touch screens.




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