Dario quit OpenAI to hype the AI apocalypse for quick cash and attention. Then, he walked right into an obvious crisis with the Pentagon by continuing to try to play both sides of the AGI doom story that even his own AI would've pointed out. Then, after being labelled a supply chain risk, he starts a new roadshow with the newest most dangerous AI model that definitely cannot be released to the public and its safer little brother Fable. A move that gets both his premier models shut down globally once the same government that labelled them a supply chain risk learns that Fable isn't actually safe from jailbreaks. Just prior to his planned IPO.
Dario might not be a literal idiot, but he might strongly benefit from training a model to do strategic thinking for Anthropic.
All of these things have people frothing at the mouth to give up all their data to Anthropic to use their models and to buy in when the IPO eventually happens.
Seems to me Dario is actually a genius. These are all things that I would to make people believe that my “basically the same as the other guy” product is ackshually best thing ever for real. Trust me bro.
The entire bubble is hype and fear mongering. The technical merits of the products are completely irrelevant at this point. Dario is doing exactly what someone that understands this would do and they are winning.
HN thinks the safety crowd is dumb, and has never seriously engaged with the AI safety space.
HN doesn't believe superintelligence will be a thing; while the AI safety crowd believes they are building it. So the decisionmaking of the safety crowd is incomprehensible to HN.
Dont we have a thread here how the model allegedly leaks responses what is "normal" safety? (Not "agi will become skynet" safety - what is mostly a rehash of terminator 2 story)
According to their comment history, the person you're replying to believes that AGI, ASI, "superintelligence" and all of that sci-fi terminator what-have-you is not only possible, but literally inevitable. They're not worried about normal safety, they're worried about Skynet and the T-1000. American AI labs – Anthropic in particular – are apparently playing the role of Sara and/or John Connor in this story.
It's clear you haven't engaged with the subject matter beyond the typical "internet-forum cynic" mindset.
Both companies were founded on the basis of AI Safety.
- There are tons of great safety people doing real work at OpenAI. Releases are held back, models are evaluated, etc.
- Anthropic goes even further - constrained themselves with a PBC/LTBT structure, treat safety even more rigorously, and notably delayed the release of Mythos (literally the opposite of what you alleged) and continue to hold their two red lines despite threats from the gov.
You should actually talk to some of the people at these labs. Nearly everyone working at these places genuinely believe AGI/ASI is actually happening, so they do take safety seriously.
To imply these companies don't care about safety is typical internet-brand nihilism/cynicism that helps you feel smart while being literally the opposite of the truth.
There is no reason for you to make personal attacks like that. Not on HN.
Moreover, your take on Dario is over simplistic, and undersells the extent to which Anthropic takes seriously safety. It's not lip service, there are real dollars and attention spent on alignment at Anthropic.
