> Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models
But we get ~$2500/mo worth of Fable credits for $200/mo on Anthropic pan? I'm still confused why people (who don't have to use API billing) are chasing open weight models based on cost.
Because that is a short term solution, it won’t be offered forever. Large organisations have to purchase credits at $/tokens. Eventually everyone else will too.
I think you are looking at it incorrectly. No business is buying individual accounts, because if they do, they open themselves up to considerable risk.
The $200 plans are priced so that the power-users use them and then advocate about how great the product is. If you're buying a $200 plan, you're not doing it because of the price point but rather because of the amount of work it is doing for you.
The point still stands. The chinese labs don't have super discounted plans, so if the price per task benchmarks[1] are correct, and we apply the discount, you'll actually be paying more by using cheaper chinese models and this technique.
I think most people assume the subsidized plans will go away or get more limited eventually. They are basically a loss leader and a marketing cost that is very flexible and easy to change w/o directly impacting their primary customers.
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
LOL, seems your only issue is when someone goes against you politically. You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line?
Do you not think that YC culture, startup culture, is not intertwined with the economy? I could stop, but is that the type of community you want to cultivate?
My contact information is in my bio if you want to seriously talk about this topic, I would be more than happy to get on a call with you. I feel you are being more than disingenuous with your application of the "rules".
I know it always feels like the mods are against you and secretly in cahoots with the other side when you get a moderation reply like the GP, which obviously doesn't feel good.
But I promise you this is not so. We've warned and banned countless accounts on both sides of every divisive political question, including ideological ones and nationalistic ones. I could give you endless lists if I had more time but this one, though out-of-date, makes the point well enough (it's not like this has changed):
Does that mean you were wrong in claiming the following?
> You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line?
You're right in the limited sense that we "allow" things we don't see. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here—there's far too much of it. But among the posts we do see, what we're concerned with is not "do I agree with this post politically" but rather "is it breaking the site guidelines", and that's where we draw the line.
If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com.
dang - sorry to flag this here, but I've emailed hn@ycombinator.com twice over about 11 days with no reply, and I'm not sure it's reaching you. My account (leonkatz) seems to be in a shadowbanned state - new comments show up [dead] on arrival (e.g. a genuine reply I left on the "Little Book of Reinforcement Learning" thread). I'm a real person, not a spammer - I'm building an open-source project (github.com/rekol-io/rekol). Could you take a look when you get a chance? Happy to do anything that helps establish the account is legit. Thanks for everything you do here.
I'm sorry we didn't reply to your emails - it's because we're inundated with so many emails that we can no longer even look at them all, let alone respond to them all. But since it may be of interest to readers, I'll share here what I would have sent to you in a reply:
Can you write by hand any text that you plan to post to HN? Here's an important tip we send to users about this:
Write any text that you post to HN by hand. Don't use an LLM to generate any of it (not even a tiny bit, including to edit or spruce it up). Reason: the community is super fussy about this right now, and LLM language has a certain quality that is generating quite some backlash when it appears on HN itself. This is a big dividing line at present!
Thank you for responding and for allowing me back from purgatory. I didn't realize there was a ban on GenAI. I have used it to correct my posts. They do a pretty good job of cleaning up my slop. Thanks again and I won't make the same mistake in the future.
> When they are successful at making those illegal/inaccessible
This would be like trying to outlaw Linux or peer-to-peer file sharing. It's technically possible to write and pass a law, but it's basically impossible to enforce it.
But we get ~$2500/mo worth of Fable credits for $200/mo on Anthropic pan? I'm still confused why people (who don't have to use API billing) are chasing open weight models based on cost.