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Is llama.cpp (and thus llama.app) really that much better than Ollama? I've Only ever played with Ollama, so geniously curious to hear other's real-world experiences.


"Friends don't let friends use ollama" https://sleepingrobots.com/dreams/stop-using-ollama/


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llama.cpp is better and it's what everyone switches to after dipping their toes in with ollama, I don't get your point


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This is a really bizarre thread.

If you think Ollama is better, use it!

People who have used them all converge on llama.cpp. You don’t have to.


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Why are you posting from multiple accounts?


The multiple accounts, the fanatcism. It’s… weird.


> Is llama.cpp (and thus llama.app)

llama.app is just an URL (for the "advertisement" webpages of llama.cpp outside GitHub).

> that much better than Ollama

llama.cpp is the real thing, ollama was a fork that remained inferior.


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Ollama is not competitive.


I was playing with ollama because of name recognition. I was finding pretty quickly that the selection of models on the "ollama store" was pretty stale, and gguf models on huggingface are technically downloadable but don't work as well.

The "friends don't let friends use ollama" article linked in another comment convinced me to try llama-swap. I find it easier to directly deal with gguf files. Hard to quantify, but the outputs of the LLM seem better too. Asking the same gguf the same question with the same chat harness, I subjectively find llama.cpp does better. Might be some different defaults. I haven't dug deeply.


ollama uses llama.cpp


The dev behind ollama is adamant that ollama doesn't use llama.cpp (based on a technicality -- it uses ggml, which is created by the same people behind llama.cpp and is the backend of llama.cpp)

He made such a big fuss about ollama implementing their own kernels and felt slighted about the online comments saying ollama didn't properly credit llama.cpp and it kind of left a bad taste in the mouth among the local inference community.

For me personally, it was this that made me avoid them at all costs: https://github.com/ollama/ollama/issues/11714#issuecomment-3...




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