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Except, most UK undergraduates in mathematics, engineering and the sciences now do a 4-year first degree, albeit a taught masters.

If you meet someone styled MEng, MMath, MSci or MChem, that's generally what they've got. Note they generally do not have e.g. BEng MEng or BSc MEng: the fourth year has an extended project/thesis element but is not a separate degree.

It's all very nice to have a masters as your first degree, but you can't really escape the fact that university expansion and the eroding standards of A-levels, together with the technological demands of the modern world, mean it's very hard for three years of higher education in the sciences to be enough.



The 3 years we do in the UK generally contains the same amount of the chosen subject as the 4 year degrees in America do as far as I can see. The main difference is that we only do our subject, whereas students in America often do lots of extra and quite different modules. I think there is some merit to that system.

Also, I wouldn't say that most undergrads in STEM do 4 year masters degrees in the UK. I think a fair few do, but going on what I've seen from friends, and what I saw when I was applying for my CS degree 4 years ago, which I'm coming to the end of now, it can often be difficult to find places that do the 4 year masters. For CS, there were probably fewer than 10 places in the country that did MEng. This is just my experience though, it might be changing, and I'm a few years out of date.




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