It was for the OP. Can't fault me for my reply not reading on an argument you make after the fact :).
> I use Python 2 because of the massive ecosystem of libraries that have been written, work, and will continue to work.
I too like useful libraries that save me time and effort, and I agree that Python 2 is extremely strong there. I feel like Python 3 is catching up and has a pretty good library story going for it already (my gratitude to those who make that happen through their contributions), in addition to being a language I find more enjoyable and productive to use than Python 2.
> It's shortsighted and more than a little irresponsible to shame or muscle people into switching.
I don't think I've done either, and I think you're being quite rude here. I was merely voicing my opinion that the magnitude of the differences between Python 2 and 3 gets blown out of proportion. Please be mindful of the context.
> that nobody wants to upgrade to
Not so, I've wanted to and have upgraded things to Python 3, and so have others.
As for the whole "forcing" stuff - well, yes, it happens. As a user of a language you're part of a community, and communities can sometimes decide to go into a direction you don't agree with. It's frustrating and difficult, and you can reasonably decide that it's a deal-breaker and leave the community. Often however it's valuable to instead put one's efforts into achieving consensus, and then defending and carrying that consensus, even if it's not what you originally wanted - shit tends to get done faster then, to the benefit of all.
I didn't mean to be rude. I'm sorry if it sounded that way. I think it's both shortsighted and irresponsible to force people to abandon libraries that work.
The parent poster wasn't concerned about learning the language. They were concerned about dependencies that work, which is what I was saying:
"I care about getting my python script working as soon as possible and for a foreseeable future - I couldn't care less for the Python language and it's future."
Yes, I didn't mean "nobody" literally. I should have said "few."
> The parent poster wasn't concerned about learning the language. They were concerned about dependencies that work
No, read more of the thread - to quote the OP:
> I rarely write anything high language besides small scripts.
OK, so you could argue that their scripts probably remain small because they call into tons of third-party code, but honestly I get the impression that it's a case of working with the included batteries and not being overly concerned with dependencies. If it was solely about deps availability, they probably wouldn't have talked about "learning Python 3" as their sticking point.
It was for the OP. Can't fault me for my reply not reading on an argument you make after the fact :).
> I use Python 2 because of the massive ecosystem of libraries that have been written, work, and will continue to work.
I too like useful libraries that save me time and effort, and I agree that Python 2 is extremely strong there. I feel like Python 3 is catching up and has a pretty good library story going for it already (my gratitude to those who make that happen through their contributions), in addition to being a language I find more enjoyable and productive to use than Python 2.
> It's shortsighted and more than a little irresponsible to shame or muscle people into switching.
I don't think I've done either, and I think you're being quite rude here. I was merely voicing my opinion that the magnitude of the differences between Python 2 and 3 gets blown out of proportion. Please be mindful of the context.
> that nobody wants to upgrade to
Not so, I've wanted to and have upgraded things to Python 3, and so have others.
As for the whole "forcing" stuff - well, yes, it happens. As a user of a language you're part of a community, and communities can sometimes decide to go into a direction you don't agree with. It's frustrating and difficult, and you can reasonably decide that it's a deal-breaker and leave the community. Often however it's valuable to instead put one's efforts into achieving consensus, and then defending and carrying that consensus, even if it's not what you originally wanted - shit tends to get done faster then, to the benefit of all.