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The point about Apple is that everyone from zoom, slack etc will be forced to optimize for that 8GB. (Same like getting rid of awful flash player).

Many a people need only a basic device for Netflix, YouTube, google docs or email or search/but flights tickets. That will be amazing.

Many have job supplied laptop/desktop for great performance (made rubbish by AV scanners but that's different issue)


>(Same like getting rid of awful flash player).

I was looking up an old video game homepage the other day for some visual design guidance. It was archived on the Wayback Machine, but with Flash gone, so was the site. Ruffle can't account for every edge case.

Flash was good. It was the bedrock of a massive chunk of the Old Net. The only thing awful are the people who pushed and cheered for its demise just so that Apple could justify their walled garden for the few years before webdev caught up. Burning the British Museum to run a steam engine.


Flash was a dumpster fire on MacOS. Apple probably would have supported it on the iPhone if Adobe had stopped it from crashing apps and made it performant on Apple's primary platform at the time (the Mac).

I remember pulling up crash logs for people showing them that Flash was in every one of the Safari crashes the wanted me to fix. I told them it was out of my hands.


All the other browsers managed it fine. That sounds like a Safari problem. Which would be totally in line with Apple's modus operandi.

No, they didn't. It was straightforwardly unsafe and broken, the heaps of effort that went into supporting it were largely just to paper over that fact. It's no accident that the other browser vendors went along with dropping support so quickly after Apple did.

The reason given for blocking Flash on iOS at the time was it's too cpu intensive on mobile, which impacts battery life. Not that it was "unsafe and broken".

The main reason other browsers stopped supporting Flash was websites stopped being built with Flash because iOS didn't support it, and a lot of people thought that mattered even though iOS had (and still has) a small market share world-wide.


> He cited the rapid energy consumption, computer crashes, poor performance on mobile devices, abysmal security, lack of touch support, and desire to avoid "a third party layer of software coming between the platform and the developer".

Sure, he's laying out a case for the app store they'd later introduce, but it wasn't simply CPU and battery. There's a reason I cited crash logs as the primary thing I remembered about how it affected me. It gave me an immediate reason to share with people about why I couldn't fix Safari crashes when Flash was involved, which made that aspect of my job easier to explain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash


Did you use netscape?

Safari was a crap browser. I mean, it still is, but it used to be, too.

It was awful especially if you use open source OS like Linux. It slowed the computer, fans full speed. Wtf are you smoking?

It's cute that you think any of that optimization will happen just because Apple crapped out a budget laptop.

It is saddening that you are ignorant in knowing that technology companies follow Apple's devices more carefully that other OS.

They don't. There's myriad laptops out there that are nothing like Apple's products, not even trying to be like them at all.

You can get PCs in formats Apple has never ventured to make and never will.

And let's not forget that Apple copies everyone else.

Folding phone? How long did it take until Apple "invented" the folding phone market? Oh, that's right, they don't have one (yet, but they are followers after all).

VR Goggles? Also late to that race, and they did a stupid thing with it.

Even the iPhone was really, really late to the game (and no, I don't care about their ~30% worldwide mobile market share).

Apple fanboys love to think that Apple invented all the things and everyone else copied them, but those are fanboy thoughts.

Sorry, Apple simply is not the technology leader you think they are.


Nail in the coffin for ChromeOS (or aluminiumOS) if they 8GB RAM variants are sold > $500.


Maybe. When a decent Chromebook is £697 (https://www.johnlewis.com/lenovo-chromebook-14m9610-laptop-m...) it doesn't make economic sense to get one.


> have to show them your phone number,

Not always working. You can see often in google community support people lost their phone. Get a new sim card and phone. Google sends the 2FA request to old phone - without that they cannot restore data.

Double whammy for people that use eSIM that gets sent to their old email address.


Ask your colleague if his family is still there... May be not.

or ask another colleague whose family is still there. Would be different answer.


I can vouch for people still there. I’m a Brit who married an Iranian who still has a large family in Iran. With the exception of one religious aunt who is married to a military man, all the Iranian family and friends we know have been hoping for intervention. We've had emotional messages from my wife’s cousin (a new mum) describing looking out of her apartment every night for the past month praying for planes overhead. Take that anecdata for what it’s worth.


Thank you for chiming in with your almost-first-hand experience.

It’s crazy that some people nowadays vouch for dictatorships.

Venezuela first, Iran now… absolutely crazy.


Valid point but then again:

1. Not everybody lives in the direct nearing of the bombing/conflict hotspot

2. They weren’t doing that great before anyway (because, you know, the islamic totalitarian theocratic dictatorship)

3. They haven’t been doing great at all lately (because, you know, protests and turmoil and the violent repression from the aforementioned islamic totalitarian theocratic dictatorship)


Was this the answer from your other colleague?


I tried a lot to get this in reality - using fedora silverblue. But that thing sucks. It is slow. Really dogslow. Devs are blaming rpm-ostree or btrfs - no idea. I wish there was something like ChromeOS but open.

Hint: Maybe firefox should pivot (re-do Firefox OS) to that.


What's really slow? Using the system, or installing updates? I use Kalpa, an atomic OpenSUSE desktop version, and it just installs updates every night and notifies me to restart, so I generally neither know nor care about how quickly that runs. (Although, I've also run updates manually and it seems fine.)


Not download. I have a good connection.

- Installation is slow. REally slow. They blame it on btrfs. But the same for XFS. It took at least 30 min. Why?

- rpm-ostree - same.

https://github.com/ublue-os/bluefin/discussions/4087


It's pretty much rpm-ostree. Nobody bothered to make those workflows performant, so if you need to apply updates separately, it's going to suck. The OSTree download can be fast if you have a fast connection to the Fedora server, but it's not mirrored and there's no mirror network support (so no geographically close downloads). To be fair, bootc has this problem too because container tooling in general can't support mirror networks currently.


when you talk about slow, what exactly is slow in your case? download speed or performance?


If you have a $100 phone then UI is lighter as compared to running firefox etc.


A few years is different case. Invidious is also getting blocked easily. Are you running it now? If yes, then report.


I am running it, and I used to use NewPipe before. I honestly don't notice much difference in stability. In both cases I would experience issues every couple of months for a day or 2. As YouTube made some change and I need to upgrade the app or server to resolve it. I wouldn't say one is better than another. Both have different advantages and drawbacks that come mostly from the nature of one being an app and the other being a server+web


Ironically iPhone helps them earn more. Most apple device owners have no choice or awareness.


I happily watch adless YouTube on an iPhone. There are definitely choices available. I agree on the awareness though.


> 2FA is a mitigation against people getting pwned by reusing passwords or using

Stolen/lost password hashes or some AI based programmer that dumped passwords in plaintext somewhere in a database.

If 2FA is proper even trivial passwords are fine.


With that argument we are discussing this on...errr US - the organization that perhaps grew those companies.

The word is not ironic it is pragmatic.


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